Memoirs of Dr Karl Lutze, - My early years with the Deutscher Samen.

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It was a cold December 1941.

The four black SS Mercedes Benz transports had finally arrived.
They were open trucks that had been fitted with a wire cage on the back which was in turn covered with a black tarpaulin .

There was a flurry of activity, a siren sounded, flood lights were switched on, soldiers ran here and there, some forming up in lines some excitedly shouting orders, others checking the inventory and paperwork.

This human flotsam from the far reaches of the captured territories of Russia were of all ages and social strata.
Their sole commonality being that they had been judged by one of our roving SD Einsatzkommandos units as having Aryan genes and so suitable for producing children for the Third Reich.

(This is a moving story of rape and the subjugation of innocent women caught up in the holocaust of World War Two, proceed at the risk of being totally offended and utterly disgusted!)
I urge those under the age 18 to leave the site now!

It was this historic event that bought the lives of these homeless and destitute women, myself (Dr. Karl Lutze) and those men of the Deutscher Samen into collision.

It was rumoured that the Fuhrer himself had formulated the plan after seeing an early newsreel of a dying Aryan blond woman lying in the street of a captured Russian city.

It would not surprise me if this was the case because it was a Special Fuhrer Order SD/ 756432 that I received in November 1941, that gave the work we were about to embark on it's legality.

As a military man and an ex Policeman I understood the complexities of the legal system.
Without a clear and direct order from the Fuhrer, senior officers may have had misgivings.

As it was, a "Fuhrer Order" lifted all responsibility from the military, it was a political decision and as such became the sole responsibility of the Fuhrer.

Any military man need not fear recriminations we would be acting on executive orders direct from the Fuhrer.
To do otherwise would be an act against the state, treason punishable by firing squad.

As for the political reasons, one did not have to look far.
Although undoubtably we had won outstanding victories, it was common knowledge that we had experienced heavy losses on the Eastern front and it was now the considered opinion of OKW that the war was not likely to be won before 1955.
And even then we would need the wonder weapons long promised.
There were many disbelievers but I had seen them myself and had no doubt in Germany's technical superiority and the Fuhrer's genius.

It was conceivable that his humanistic streak and logical practicability had now combined to save many of these women from a useless death as well as promoting procreation in the interest of the Greater German Reich.

It was common sense and a very good use of human resources, I had seen far too many innocents slaughtered and the time had come to make amends.

Germany's man power would need to be increased urgently and for this task the Reichfurhrer Heinrich Himmler had set up a special unit of exceptional men whos duty and responsibility it would be to populate the new territories of 'Eastern Germania' as it was now known.

It was early evening and I strode across the pebbled entrance way to get my first glimpse of the cargo, I ordered one of my men to unlock the back board and let it down and as he did so I shone my torch on the faces of the women huddled silently together.
They all had a grey listless look about them and for a moment they look back at me in bewilderment.
I stepped back down and gave the order "Get them out of the trucks!" 
My soldiers leaped into the back of each truck and began pulling the women to their feet and pushing them off the back of the truck some were jumping some fell.
The screaming started and would go on for hours.
My men were a little heavy handed it was true but it was done for a reason.
A little firmness and discipline had the effect of keeping them in a high state of tension and easier to control in the long run.
They had been packed in rather solidly and the physical stress they were in was obvious.
What had to be done would be done quickly while they were still in a disorientated state.
To gain control and mental dominance over such a large group of women a special technic would be used.
It would be accomplished by choosing one woman from the group and raping her in a particular manner in full view of all the other women.

It would require a special type of woman for full effect and a special apparatus to restrict her struggles and obtain maximum visual impact.

As the commanding officer, choosing the woman would be left to my trained and experienced eye.

I had studied at Berlin University and had a PhD in eugenics and physiology and knew exactly what would be required.

There was always an air of excitement when news reached us of the impending arrival of the transports and this night was no exception.
The Deutscher Samen had been extremely excited and on edge for the previous two hours.
Since they had been first told to prepare themselves for the arrival of two hundred women there had been only one subject of conversation.
Who would be given permission to impregnate the first woman and how many women they would each impregnate that night!

It would be a long night.

They would enjoy themselves it was true, but so many women would also tax all their strength and energy and by morning they would be totally exhausted.
However they were soldiers and understood that they were doing their duty for the Fatherland, the Fuhrer and for final victory over Germanys enemies.
They would give their all.

Almost two hundred tired and exhausted women and girls were now being quickly herded into the main reception area amongst much confusion and commotion.
They had had little rest or food and had spent almost the whole forty eight hours in a standing position being shaken and rocked back and forth as our trucks laboured through little more than village tracks.

They little expected what would soon be in store for them.

As usual it was another excellent selection, the Einsatzkommandos certainly understood the physical requirements.

So many blue eyed blondes and brunettes, almost all with full breasts, I was already being arroused, I could not wait to see them all naked.

Let me tell you to see 200 naked beautiful women and and have them all under your personal control is a beautiful sight and a wonderful feeling.

A number of SS guards began moving them into lines for my inspection while others were assembling the restraining device for its first encounter for the evening.
While they were still adjusting their eyes to the bright lights of the camp a number of SS Stewards were sorting them.

Later all their family histories would be documented for selective breeding but for now we just needed to choose one woman for the demonstration as it was called.
There was an excellent selection to choose from but we would need a particular body type, slightly plump with heavy pendula breasts.
Sturmbannfhrer Rolff would choose a small number and from those I would make the selection.

I could have easily delegated this duty but chose to be an active participant in order to show myself, despite my rank equal to the other soldiers in all aspects.

Four women had been drawn to one side, I took off my officers cap, put on my white Doktors coat over my uniform  and took my position at a desk behind a black cotton screen.

My adjutant, Sturmbannfhrer Rolff approached clicked his heels and gave the party salute.

All is ready Mien General, I think you will appreciate the group I have selected for you.
Very well, bring the first woman over, I said, returning his salute at the same time.
The women must have had a premonition as she resisted to the best of her ability.
I watched with interest as two of my most experienced soldiers attempted to seperate her from the group.

She began to scream and to lash out with her fists at my men, then she threw herself onto the floor but eventually they took hold of her by the arms and dragged and half carried her still struggling and screaming.
Finally she was in front of me she had lost both her shoes in the melee and her blouse had been torn exposing half her right breast.
One of my men held her in a head lock while the other had her arm twisted up behind her back, she was immobile.

I looked the stricken woman over carefully.

I looked at the two soldiers holding her and gave them a nod.
They increased their hold on her as she immediately began to tremble uncontrollably.
I pushed a wooden block between her legs that would effectively stop her from bringing her legs together.

I lifted her skirt and discovered that she was wearing underwear, something she would no longer need.
I reached up and took both sides of the waistband in each hand and pulled until the fabric ripped.
I through the remains into the bin

I drew a pair of shears and cut her skirt away from her body as well.
She had a thick hairy bush between her legs and I used the shears to trim this back at the same time.

Now I could examined her vulva, It was something I much admired about plump women, the extra thickness it gave their pudenda.
It somehow made them more sexual creatures.

I probed her with two fingers feeling her tightness and receptiveness before finally lifting her clitoral hood to visually examine the size of her clitoris.
I removed my hand and bought it to my nose to inhale her sweet scent while I asked her her name.
"Mischa Maslov" She whispered through trembling teeth.
I reached into my Doktors case and took out a specialist instrument called the Clitorius a small glass tube with millimetre increments insized into the glass, it was fitted with a small rubber tube about a metre in length and this was attached at the other end to a foot pump that when worked created a vacuum in the glass tube.
This instrument was designed to measure a woman's clitoris when extended.
It also had the unintended effect of bringing some woman to an orgasmic climax.
The woman I was now examining was well endowed in all departments, large full breasts, and thick extended labia.
It was a simple procedure to expose her clitoris and place the glass tube over her bud and use the floor pump with my right foot watching her clit being drawn up the tube.
Three pumps and I would take the measurment  5, 10, 15 millimetres.
The woman began to moan and thrust her hips forward, just the reaction that was required.
Her body was well designed, she was of a type who would have a high libido and would rut often and well, a fine example of Aryan womanhood, brunette, grey eyes, wide hips, thick thighs and strong legs, all attributes that would equip her well for the coming years.

I released the valve of the Clitorius, removed the the instrument and watched her clitoris retreat but still left it protruding red and swollen I was able to easily take it and roll it gently between my thumb and forefinger bringing the woman to another climax

With the right knowledge and equipment i found that I could induce a powerful sexual reaction in all women young or old even in front of complete strangers.

"Patience," I told myself, my cock was already hard, I rinsed my hands in a bowl and towelled them dry.
I then made the entry in the duty assignment daybook before having one last look into her eyes.
She was flushed red with embarrassment but of a very fair complexion, approx 170 cm, pleading eyes and now red cheeks flushed from being so intimately examined in front of four men. 
She was wearing a woollen cardigan, which buttoned up the front although a number of buttons had been lost in her struggle.
I didnt bother to undress her further but contented myself with cupping each breast in the palm of my hand feeling its weight and firmness.

Good, good", I said, "have her weighed and her measurements taken, I told Rolff as I made the appropriate entry.
 Take her away and bring over the next woman.

I tried to remain detached during these procedures but I could feel my cock throbing.

Soon another young woman was bought before me, the women saw how useless in was to resist and so now began to put up less resistance. 
 I asked her name.
"Anastasya Fyodorov" she replied.
I lifted her skirt.
She was obviously a peasant woman; she wore no underwear as was the custom in the Russian countryside.
I parted her thick fleshy labia folds and inserted the thumb of my right hand fully into her and noted her reaction, she began to shake even more than the first.
I smiled, modesty will not do you any good here I thought to myself.
"Here your vagina and womb will be always accessible to myself or any of the Deutscher Samen."
Rolff did the interpretation.

It was the first time she had been told what she was here for and she seemed stunned.

I held my thumb in her and moved it urgently up and down a few times while looking into her eyes.
She was frightened and was panting heavily; she had the Aryan blue eyes with an untidy shock of long dirty blonde hair tied back with string.
I noted her heavy heaving breasts and with my thumb still in her I reached up with my left hand took a grip of the fabric and tore her blouse enough to let her large left breast tumble free.
I admired its plumpness and her pronounced pink nipple.
I removed my thumb from her vagina, remarkably she had already began to moisten with minimum stimulation.
I then sort out her clitoris which caused her to jump as if touched with electricity.
I put the Clitorius instrument in place and pumped once, twice, three times.
Ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty three millimetres her clitoris extended and remarkably it was as thick as my ring finger.
The woman shook uncontrollably, her hips bucking as I pulled on her extended clitoris.

I nodded, just as expected.

I felt for her labia with my fingers.
Quite thick and pronounced, another good specimen.

Rolff smiled, she had been his personal choice.
I smelt my fingers and noted a distinctly strong musky odour.
I rinsed my hands and made the entry in my log.
Weigh her Rolff, take her measurements and all the usual  procedures and put her back into the line.

Next!

My guards lead the woman away naked from the waist down, with one plump bare breast swinging free.
When she came into view of the crowded room a hush came over the women, many stared and called to her trying to discover what had happened.
The woman herself was acutely embarrassed and couldnt speak for sobbing.
Next, I shouted again, the previous woman had caused a distraction for a moment, but now there was a younger thinner woman for me to inspect.
Like the others she had exceedingly large breasts, especially for such a small frame.
Very promising I thought at first glance.

Name, I commanded as my hand sort out the prize between her legs.
But I was to be quickly disappointed, I immediately felt the slimy texture of blood, the young woman was menstruating!
The stress had bought on her periods and menstrual blood had begun to run down her legs.
I withdrew my hand even as she shakily pronounced the name "Galina Petrovna."

I called to Rolff, Blood!
She will be of no use to us today but she is a stunning choice, those breasts will be put to good use in the very near future.
I want to see her after seven or eight months of pregnancy, she will be a magnificent sight."
I rinsed my hands once again and towelled them dry.
I added her name and made the note "Perhaps a  good milker producer, view when impregnated" into my ledger.

Take her away and bring me the other, I said.
This would be over very quickly, I only had three to choose from.
Again my soldiers dragged over another uncooperative female, she was wearing a skirt, and when I say 'was' I mean 'was' because somehow in the short struggle it had been torn at the waist and it simply fell off her as she was dragged towards me.
But it did offer a remarkable sight.
She was dark haired beauty with green eyes, in her early thirties, about 165cm, quite plump with good wide hips, fleshy buttocks and thighs, a smallish waist and large full breasts.
Name? I asked approvingly.
Nadya Grigorovich, she said in a soft frightened voice.

She stood in front of me blushing profusely and I noticed immediately that her labia protruded from her thick bush of dark curls.

Rolff I called, Come and look at this.
The woman flushed red and began to sob and struggle, all to no end, she was held tight by two of my soldiers
I parted and teased at her thick labia flaps while explaining to Rolff the Germanic origins of such women.
I lifted her clitoral hood out of curiosity and was not disappointed; with a little stimulation her clitoris began to protrude and grew quite firm to the touch again I put the Clitorius into place over her protruding clit and pumped three times.

The woman had an immediate orgasm and had a orgasmic discharge that spayed onto the floor in front of me.

Excellent Rolff, excellent!
These women will need to be serviced a soon as possible.
Their bodies betray their wanton sexuality.

I hope we have many more like this woman among the cargo, with such strong Aryan features she will produce many solid children and enjoy very much the effort of producing them.

Imagine the offspring of these women mated with our SS men.
They will be the masters of Europe.

Something that these women could never contemplate.
She was led sobbing over to stand in line with the other three whom I would choose from.

Number two, I commanded.
Although all we excellent candidates the musky scent that I smelt was unmistakably that of a women in ovulation.
In most probability she would conceive that very night!
Immediately she was held by two of my soldiers as a third stepped forward and stripped away her clothing until in a moment she was completely naked.

She was perfect!
A shriek went up from all the watching women as she was forcibly made to face the apparatus.

Her hands were cuffed behind her back and each of her large pendula breasts were put into a loop of canvas webbing straps that could be ratcheted tight.
Two of my men quickly worked the leavers back and forth as her breasts were gripped and pulled downward. In less than a minute she was held firmly in place restrained solely by her large breasts, which now quickly began to swell making the bindings even tighter.
She was bent at the waist over a wooden horse with her feet flat on the floor an amazing sight.
A leaver bought forward two flat padded panels that separated her thighs and this too was ratcheted until her legs were splayed wide, leaving unfettered access to her genitalia.

One of our German Nurses quickly arrived with a bowl or warm water soap and razor and removed her thick mat of hair so that there would be an unrestricted view.

My soldiers now made a barricade to hold the women back but making sure that they could all view what was about to happen?
I had already noted during the inspection that the woman restrained, Anastasya Fyodorov had a large vaginal cavity and so I called for SS Scharfhrer Hermann to do the demonstration.

He was an Aryan youth of twenty-two years with a huge appendage, which I knew she would be able to take without difficulty.
Bent over the womans swollen vagina was being presented perfectly, her thick labia open displaying her glistening pink entry with her clitoris still protruding from its recent stimulation.

Herman strode proudly forth naked, his ridged erect cock displayed to all the women and girls.

He took his position behind the prone woman and with one hand guided his cock slowly into her opening.
The woman was hyperventilating and trying to free herself but her swelling breasts kept her completely immobile and offered a remarkable sensual sight.
Herman bent his legs a little allowing his cock entry then straightened up, slowly straining into her.
She let out a low groan and rose up on her tiptoes as she took the last few millimetres of his huge cock.

Hermans colleagues began to applaud as he slowly began moving back and forth ploughing her fertile womb.
The watching women shrieked and screamed, as they all now realised what was in store for them.
I gave the signal and as he increased his stroke the woman started to make moaning, whimpering noises.
She had obviously not had a cock for some time.
At the same signal five more Deutscher Samen began to undress and expose their massive appendages to the captive women.
I gave another signal and Herman withdrew and stepped back so all see the woman's now swollen and gaping red hole and bright red breasts caused by the restricted blood flow.
I commanded SS Scharfhrer Heinz to take over.
An excellent young man who had already impregnated over twenty women.
He slipped his ridged cock straight up her and began to buck into her, she arched her back with another groan.
"Not yet, not yet," I said, she must be thoroughly rutted before I will permit you to seed her.
Heinz pulled out of her and I moved to check on her condition.
Her vagina and thick lips of her labia gapped open, she was dripping wet with sexual excitement.
I put my hand between her legs and discovered her extended clitoris and began to stimulate it with my fingers.
She started to squeal and shake, she was ready now.
I called again for Herman to finish her off.

He gave the salute and politely thanked me for giving him the honour and moved back into position.
Again he put his erection into the woman's vagina and again she moaned as it stretched and filled her.
I let him have his way this time and he began to rut her vigouriously until he too shuddered, gripped her hips and began to spurt his seed into her fertile womb.
Then giving a sigh of satisfaction and slowly withdrew.

The woman was flushed red from head to toe, her breasts were now purple her nipples fully extended like bullets.
I gave the order,"Quickly men release her breasts."
It was not dangerous so long as the circulation was not cut completely and we were always careful not to do any permanent damage.
As she straightened up blood rushed back into her breasts causing a painful sensation.
She struggled back naked into the group with the remnants of Herman's sperm seeping out of her running down her legs.
The women had been subdued and impregnated as planed.

Rolff now called the names of six women who were asked to come forward.
I spoke to them firmly but without danger in my voice.
"Please undress, you will all copulate with my men immediately, if you do not obey your time here shall not be pleasant, your co-operation is strongly advised."

A moan wet up from the whole group but the six women whose names were called slowly emerged from the crowd and began to undress.
My men took positions on chairs set in a row facing the audience and the women were ordered to straddle their straining cocks, facing their compatriots.
An exhilarating  performance commenced, my men simultaneously guided their cocks into them and so began a night of exhausting copulation with the women who were made to move up and down to stimulate my mens cocks until they ejaculated.

By morning only thirty two women remained, all others had been thoroughly rutted and on past performances over 10% would become pregnant.

All the women from young teenagers to mature adults were now exhausted, naked and flushed from intercourse, a beautiful sight, indeed.
They were taken to their barracks to rest and prepare themselves for their new lives as German Mothers.

The women were allowed to rest for twenty four hours before being assembled on parade in daylight.
Lined up in rows of ten I made my inspection stopping from time to time to admire their Aryan beauty, feeling an individuals breasts or stroke a woman's stretched and protruding labia which from regular use soon became its natural state.

We found that discipline and order was appreciated by both the women and the Deutscher Samen, the women were given a report and schedule that explained to them what would be required of them (in short babies) and how that would be achieved.
Namely regular intercourse with selected SS men.
It spelt out exactly at what time the women would present themselves and in the beginning this was three times per day.
After no more than two weeks it became routine and little protest was heard except for re occurring back pain with some of the women, and dryness of the vagina because of this a little variation was allowed for their personal comfort.

A Pattern was soon established, every morning a bell would ring through out the compound, It was a signal for those women ovulating to present themselves for copulation and they would take themselves to a special long narrow room with one continuous mattress.
The women would lay on their backs side by side and pull their legs up and back close to their chests making their vaginas gape open and allowing my men quick and easy access.

Twenty women at a time would be serviced in this manner.

I would often be on hand to witness this event, an amazing site with the moans and groans that emanated from both the women and my men while the bare white soles of the women's feet waved back and forth over their heads and my men's naked buttocks thrust back and forward pressing home their sperm in the act of fertilisation.

In not more than twenty minutes all my men would succeed in depositing their sperm deep in these women's wombs.

And many would be made pregnant on the first attempt but to be doubly sure the same women would be serviced again before they went to bed that same night.

Eventually I would begin to notice here and there a woman's swelling belly.
I would soon have the pleasure of inspecting two hundred naked women with swollen milk filled breasts and bulging bellies in all stages pregnancy.

More transports had been scheduled for February.

Germanys future was in good hands.

Addition: 
Many readers have enquired as to how immature girls and young virgins were handled at the camp and I want to dispel any misconceptions.

It had been a matter that had concerned me from the very beginning.

Many virginal young women just could not accept the cocks of the Deutscher Samen who were physically large men and some had unintentionally been injured in the initial stages of our campaign.

As soon as I had become aware of this I made a change in the procedure whereby being a smaller man I would take it upon myself to break all virgins before handing them over to one of our Deutcher Samen for impregnation.
A slower gentler introduction to the male appendage worked wonders, it was a simple matter of stretching them and had the immediate effect of reducing the women's virginal injuries by 72%

I must make it clear that it was not my duty to impregnate any of the women as although I was classified as Aryan only the Deutscher Samen had those genes that the Reich Fuhrer considered appropriate for children of the new Germany.

However I must confess that I did impregnate a number of women, most unintentionally (I have estimated no more than fifty) in the course of my duty, a very small number when compared to the 22,400 impregnated by the Deutscher Samen.

Returning to the breaking of Virgins.

I am proud to say I personally wrote the protocol to be followed in this regard.

First all the young women must have been menstruating for at least three months to ensure maturity and their ability to conceive and once this had been confirmed they we put on a waiting list until there were at least twelve at any one time, they would then be bought to one of my holding rooms to wait.

This room was conveniently situated adjacent my private apartment and on those specific days I would usually rise early have a hearty breakfast put on a robe and go directly to where the twelve naked young maidens would await my pleasure.

There I would inevitably find them huddled in a corner.
I would disrobe in front of them exposing my aroused cock and take one by the arm from and lead her into the center of the room where ther was a small box.
I would turn her to face her compatriots while half lifting her left leg from behind so her left foot would rest on the box.

With my right hand I would guide my cock into the girls slit and slowly begin her penetration.
There was never any protest as fear would render the delicate young girls unable to resist and as soon as I had broken through her hymen and made sure I had penetrated her to the maximum extent I would withdraw without ejaculation (in the majority of cases) and take another young girl in the same fashion until all had been broken.

Occasionally I would find a young woman who would be exceptionally tight.
I would keep such young girls back from the Deutscher Samen until I had used their vaginas to such an extent that she would no longer be at risk of injury.

Some other young women were issued with a synthetic phallus and instructed to masturbate themselves regularly to stretch their vaginas in readiness for their copulation.

In this way many young women were saved the trauma and possibly injury of being put directly on one of our men's cocks without due preparation.

It also became one of the most enjoyable duties I was to perform at the camp.

The odd ejaculation and resulting pregnancy under such circumstance was an unfortunate result of the intense pressure I was under at that time.

As to those young girls who were not yet mature enough for intercourse they were kept separate but permitted to observe the copulation of their mothers and older siblings to gradually let them grow accustom to their new circumstances.

From the age of ten these young women were introduced to the male penis and taught to suckle and take sperm orally, the intake of which with its high hormonal content was found to speed their maturity by almost one year and so have the effect of them having one more child then would other wise be the case in normal circumstances.

To gain the maximum amount of children was always our first priority and as soon as a woman had given birth she would be monitored until she began to ovulate and put immediately back on the cock until she conceived once again, no time could be lost in our effort to produce as many children for Germany as was humanly possibly.

I can assure you that no women or girl was harmed or injured in any way while under my supervision and any accusation to the contrary I can assure you is just another lie perpetrated by our enemies.

...Karl Lutze




   To be continued.

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 I am also interested in the opinion and thoughts of women who may read this story.
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   Other stories include:

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 01.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 02

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 03.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 04.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 04a.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 04b.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 05.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 05a.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 05b.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 06.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 07.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 08.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 09.

   Deutscher Samen SS Chapter 10.

   Mischa Kuznetsev Chapters 1.  and 2.

   The Natalya Trilogy.

   The Life and Times of Janna and Katya.

   The life of Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Wediess.

   The Making of Hans Moller.

   The Svetlana Trilogy including the Village is Captured.

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Quiz 1 - Friends of the Deutscher Samen.  Quiz 10 - Friends of the Deutscher Samen.  Quiz 12 - Friends of the Deutscher Samen.  Quiz 2 - Friends of the Deutscher Samen.  Quiz 4 - Friends of the Deutscher Samen. Quiz 4b - Friends of the Deutscher Samen.

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